Showing posts with label mary tin. Show all posts
Showing posts with label mary tin. Show all posts

Sunday, 22 February 2026

Receiving his Mary Tin sketch

It did occur to me that maybe I could find some way of combining art – sketching with my recent interest in Mary tins and their replicas (if you missed this the best way for you to catch up would be to read the page from my links section).

Mary Tins

So this is my sketch based on a photograph showing a corporal on the Western Front opening his tin at Christmas in 1914. We can only imagine how the recipients must have felt when receiving their gift. The fact that so many of these tins still exist suggests that they must have been treasured by a lot of the recipients and continued to be so long after the tobacco and cigarettes had been smoked or the sweets had been consumed.  



Thursday, 19 February 2026

A Tale of 5 Tins

 My 2014 Fortnum and Mason’s Tommy Tin arrived today which means I have now collected all that I wanted to collect after my brother bought me an original Princess Mary Tin for Christmas.

In case you missed my earlier posts on the subject, in 1914 Princess Mary, daughter of King George V and Queen Mary, decided that she wanted to send a Christmas gift to all British troops on active service on the Western Front. When it was shown to her that she couldn’t afford it, the idea was to have a publicly funded appeal to raise the money to do so which was so successful that, eventually, the gift was given to everyone in the British and Empire armed forces, including nurses. The gifts were presented in a very fetching brass tin and these tins eventually became known as Mary tins.

Now, through a combination of things I have developed an interest in the First World War. For Christmas 2025 my younger brother bought me a Mary tin. I absolutely love it. Even without the history behind it I think it is a lovely object.

Being the kind of person that I am, if I’m interested in something I want to know more about it. So I found out that, in the 1920s variations of the tins were made commercially available. Being as the Royal Family objected to their image being used for commercial purposes in this way, the cameo head of Princess Mary was replaced by the date 1914. Copies of this ‘commemorative tin’ are available today and I bought this one, pictured with my original tin :-

Top - original Mary Tin. Bottom - Reproduction 1914 Commemorative tin

The lettering is the same as the original with one exception. The words in the top central plaque – Imperium Britannicum (British Empire) – are omitted. The lid is slightly larger than the original, and the brass effect is much darker.

In 2014, to commemorate the centenary of the outbreak of the First World War, the Daily Mail newspaper offered readers a replica Mary tin as part of a promotional offer. These are much easier to obtain than the replica commemorative tins.

My two Daily Mail 2014 reproduction Mary Tins

I ended up buying two of these. In terms of dimensions and details they’re a pretty decent replica. However the modelling and embossing on the lid is noticeably cruder than the original, and they’re much, much lighter than the original as well. The lids don’t open as far as the original, and to be honest I can’t see that you would ever mistake either of these for an original.

After I’d bought these replica’s I then discovered that these were not the only tins inspired by the original Mary tin to be produced in 2014. Posh London grocers, Fortnum and Mason’s, made their own version of the Mary tin to commemorate the centenary and as with the original, they gave the tins, containing chocolate and mini playing cards, to members of the Armed Forces. That was well done. I wanted one. There did not seem to be anything like as many of these on the market as the replica or indeed the original Mary tins, but patience brought its reward and I was able to buy an empty tin for about the same price as I paid for the first Daily Mail replica.

2014 Fortnum and Mason's Tommy's Tin - inspired by the Mary Tin



It’s fair to say that the Fortnum and Mason’s Tommy Tin is a homage to the Mary tin rather than a reproduction like the Daily Mail tin. The design is obviously inspired by the original – with the border work, and the circular motif surrounded by laurels. Instead of the profile of Princess Mary, or the date, the circular motif shows a helmeted head, possibly Britannia. I’m not sure if this is  specifically Fortnum’s logo or not. This motif is flanked not by two capital M’s, but rather an F and an M, as in Fortnum and Mason’s. There is no other writing on the tin where the original said Imperium Britannica and the names of the UK’s allies. However, where the original tin says ‘Christmas 1914’ the Fortnum and Mason’s tin says, in very small writing ‘Tommy’s Tin 1914 – 2014’.Unlike the original or the Daily Mail reproductions, the lid removes and isn't hinged, and you can see the embossing from the back.

The size of the tin is similar in length to the original, but it’s noticeably thinner. It is also much, much lighter, possibly even a bit lighter than the Daily Mail replica. That’s not the only similarity between them. The quality of the modelling and embossing on the Fortnum tin is comparable to the Daily Mail tin and not as fine as the original. Well, Fortnum and Mason’s were giving them to the Armed Forces so let’s not moan too much about that.

Comparison - Top - F and M Tommy's tin 2014 - bottom - Daily Mail reproduction Mary Tin 2014


Well, I am very fond of my little tin collection, anyway. Here’s some photographs comparing them.

 
Top - F and M 2014 Tommy's Tin - bottom - original Mary Tin

Top F and M 2014 Tommy's Tin - bottom - Original Mary Tin

top - reproduction commemorative tin - Middle - F and M 2014 Tommy's tin -
bottom - original Mary Tin

Top - F and M 2014 Tommy's tin - middle - Daily Mail 2014 replica Mary tin
bottom - original Mary tin


Monday, 16 February 2026

The Continuing story of the Mary Tin Replicas

Several weeks ago I wrote a couple of posts about Mary tins. Basically, in 1914 Princess Mary, daughter of King George V and Queen Mary, decided that she wanted to send a Christmas gift to all British troops on active service on the Western Front. When it was shown to her that she couldn’t afford it, the idea was to have a publicly funded appeal to raise the money to do so which was so successful that, eventually, the gift was given to everyone in the British and Empire armed forces, including nurses. The gifts were presented in a very fetching brass tin and these tins eventually became known as Mary tins.

Now, through a combination of things I have developed an interest in the First World War. For Christmas 2025 my younger brother bought me a Mary tin. I absolutely love it. Even without the history behind it I think it is a lovely object.

So, if you read my earlier posts you’ll know that I did a bit of research and found out that in 2014 the Daily Mail newspaper did a promotional offer whereby readers could save tokens to claim a reproduction Mary tin. I bought two from ebay. There’s still a large number of original tins out there. I think that lost of people kept them even after the contents were gone, but obviously they don’t have the same emotional value to the descendant of the recipients. There’s also quite a large number of the Daily Mail reproductions out there as well. I don’t think that you’d ever be able to pass these off as originals. The quality of the embossing on the design is much cruder. The tin is much lighter and feels more like coated tin than real brass.

Well, there we are, original and replica. I thought that was it. Only it wasn’t. You see, in the course of my research I found out about a variation. This was clearly a reproduction, but instead of having the head of Princess Mary embossed upon it, there is the date, 1914. I felt that this was strange, but eventually I found a post on a forum that explained it. It said that tins with 1914 were made as souvenirs of the Great War in the 1920s. The change in the design was because the Crown forbade the use of the image of a member of the Royal Family for commercial purposes. These were sold under the name commemorative tins.



The 1914 tin I had seen was not from the 1920s, but essentially a reproduction of one. So a reproduction of a reproduction. I wouldn’t say that it was difficult to get hold of, but I could only find one supplier. None to be found on ebay. Yes, of  course I bought one. It’s an interesting piece. I mean it’s clearly based on the design of the original Mary tin. However some of the embossed writing is not there. Only the lid seems to be barred, and it has a darker colour than the originals or the Dily Mail reproductions. The lid is not attached by a hinge and its dimensions are slightly larger than the others I have. The body of the tin has some kind of matt black coating. It’s quite tactile actually, and it’s pretty heavy. If anything I’d say it’s heavier than the original.

So there we are. Or are we?

Well not quite. In the course of finding out about the reproduction Mary tins I came upon a post that mentioned replicas made by the Daily Mail and Fortnum and Masons. I dived down this particular rabit hole and found out that in 2014 Fortnum and Mason’s in London had produced what I believe is called a Tommy’s tin to commemorate the centenary of the original Mary tins. Tins were gifted to all members of the Armed Forces serving in Afghanistan. Based on photographs I found, the tin was very clearly based on the Mary tin. It seems to have a helmeted head where Princess Mary’s was, and instead of being flanked by two Ms, the head is flanked by F and M. I did find one on ebay. This had the original contents, a mini pack of playing cards and as a result the price was rather more than I was prepared to pay.



Come this morning, I found another, empty F and M tin on ebay for a much more acceptable price. So I’ve bought it. Watch this space.

Sunday, 11 January 2026

Mary Tins Supplemental

If you’ve ever bought off ebay you may well have experienced what happened with me. So, a fortnight ago, just a few days after Christmas I ordered a replica ‘Mary’ tin from ebay. I posted yesterday all about this. Well, what I didn’t tell you was that I was messed around something rotten by Evri, the delivery company, so last Sunday I was looking at alternatives in case it never did get delivered before my nerve snapped and I claimed a refund. Well, one of the reasonably priced alternatives I looked at obviously alerted the owner and he offered it to me at a reduction. The price was so good that I felt, hmm, I certainly don’t mind having three boxes rather than 2, so I bought it. This was the one that arrived yesterday and the one in the photos with my post yesterday.

Later on yesterday, then, the first one I ordered arrived. Here’s a photo of the three together.

So, the genuine Mary tin is in the middle. The one on top is the last one to arrive, while the bottom one is the one that I wrote about and photographed yesterday. So let’s take my original away for a moment:-

The embossing on the lids seems pretty much identical, but of course there is one glaring difference. The top one seems much closer in colour to my original while the bottom one seems more of a coppery or bronze colour almost. There is one other even more obvious difference between the two tins which you can’t see from the photo. Compare the bottoms of the three tins :-

Yes, my first replica tin on the bottom does not have any writing on it, while the top is stamped with the Daily Mail. I don’t know why. There doesn’t appear to be any sign that the plain one has had anything done to it to remove the writing so that someone could try to pass it off as an original. Which I’m sure would be a forlorn attempt anyway because it doesn’t require any expertise whatsoever to tell the difference between original and replica. I guess its because they were made in different batches, and being promotional items, nobody was that bothered about each replica being identical to all of the others.

I do find the whole replica business quite interesting. During lock down I assembled a little collection of various models of trams and buses produced by Matchbox and a few of their competitors. In the process I obtained these two models –



The one on the left is an original Matchbox Models of Yesteryear London Tram. The one on the left is not – it is a promotional model offered by Typhoo tea in 1985 to celebrate their 80th birthday. Apart from the advertising banner, they seems identical. But they aren’t – there is little or no plastic in the Matchbox model, while the roof, wheels and baseplate of the Typhoo bus are all made of plastic. My guess is that the plastic parts made it cheaper to manufacturer and lighter to transport.

Saturday, 10 January 2026

Mary Tins

Okay, this is neither about art nor quizzing so doesn’t really fit  within the scope of either of my extant blogs. But what the hell, it maybe fits slightly better within this one.

I do find the First World War an interesting subject, and have done ever since reading some of the poetry like “Dulce et Decorum Est”, “An Irish airman foresees his death” and “The Soldier” when I was at school. It’s just as well considering how many times I would teach the poetry in my career as an English teacher. Then when I started researching my family history I embarked upon a quest to find out where and when my grandmother’s father had been killed and was buried. (This was my father’s mother.) It took a lot of time and some creative lateral thinking, but I found that he had been killed on the first day of the Third Battle of Ypres (Passchendaele) and that originally his body had not been identified. His name was inscribed on the Menin Gate, but then removed when it was identified and buried in Voormezeele on the outskirts of Ieper (Ypres). I visited in 2016, and found the whole experience very moving.

However, for all of my interest, I’m not really interested in building up a collection of memorabilia. However, for Christmas a few weeks ago my brother bought me a genuine Princess Mary Tin, and I loved it.



If you’re not aware of the story, in the early months of the war, 17 year old Princess Mary, daughter of King George V and Queen Mary, decided she would like to buy a present for every British soldier on the Western Front and every sailor on a Royal Navy ship. She was gently informed “Sorry, your Royal Highness, but you ain’t got enough lolly for that, but never mind, we’ll get Joe and Josephine public to pay instead” or words to the effect. A public appeal was launched that proved wildly successful, so much so that the scheme was extended to include everyone in the Armed Forces. Mind you, not everyone got these by Christmas 1914. The last were distributed as late as 1920. The majority of them contained tobacco and cigarettes, but there were a variety of different contents for non-smokers, nurses and Sikhs amongst others. The tins were made of brass and this is one of the reasons why it took so long for everyone to be given one. Brass was in short supply at times, for example, the Lusitania was carrying tons of the stuff when it was sunk by a U boat in 1915.

I think that the tin itself is a very desirable object and I think a lot of the recipients did too considering how many of them are still around. On the lid is an embossed design, which seems to owe something to art nouveau. In the centre is the profile of the Princess, white there are 6 roundels in the border containing the names of allies Belgium, France, Russia, Serbia, Montenegro and Japan.You can probably see from the photograph that my time seems to have been extensively polished over the years and this has rubbed away and flattened out quite a bit of detail. But I like it tremendously.

Being the kind of person that I am, over the next few days after Christmas I set out to find out as much as I could about the tins. One of the things I discovered was that in 2014 the Daily Mail made a promotional offer to their readers to provide a replica Mary tin – and a replica King’s Shilling. I think they had to collect tokens or vouchers from the paper. I immediately wondered just how good a replica they were. To cut a long story short I found one for a reasonable price on ebay and bought it. Here it is

 


The first thing you notice about the replica is not something you can see in the photos. It’s the weight. The original is much heavier, and feels far more substantial. If anything the replica feels even lighter than the Old Holborn tobacco tins my father used to use. The detailing on the lid, the embossed design is cruder than the original. The Christmas 1914 lettering is smaller, and further down the lid too. As regards the insides:-



The lids are very different. The original opens flat while he replica only opens through 90 degrees. The original‘s lid closes over the edges of the body of the tin, while the replica lid has a deep edge that closes inside the edges of the main body of the tin. In short, then, I don’t see any way you could mistake the replica for original if you know anything about what the original is like.

What will I keep in the tins? I don’t really know yet, but I do plan to use them both

As I said, I’m not planning to start a memorabilia collection. But I will admit that there is one other object that I am curious about. Sadly this is a little more macabre than the Mary Tin. This is the Death Plaque, also nicknamed the Death Penny. This was a circular bronze plaque which was issued after the war to the next of kin of every member of the services who was killed in service during the war. By that reckoning one must have been issued for my great grandfather, Edgar George Bennett. As next of kin, surely it would have gone to his widow, my great grandmother. The complicating factor is that she remarried in 1919. As it happens, although she passed away before I was born I do remember her second husband, who my Dad called Grandad. I’d just love to know what happened to Edgar’s plaque. I imagine that if it had been retained it would have passed to my grandmother, and then to my father or my Uncle Jim. I’m guessing it was either discarded or lost in the years following the war. I’d love to know what happened to it, but at this stage I think that’s highly unlikely.